Yes, it’s Friday…
Last night we had some company over. Kelli’s sister Shawna and her fiance’ Joe, and then our friend Janet. It was a nice time as we carried on discussions. Joe and Shawna have finalized a date for their wedding, June 19, 2009. They will be getting married at a Unitarian church in Clifton, and then having their reception at the same place Kelli and I had ours.
But part of our talks lately have been revolved around what different denominations believe, or what sets them apart. Specifically, Presbyterians and Unitarians. So I’ve been doing a little bit of reading and according to Wikipedia the main thing that sets Unitarians apart is their rejection of the Trinity. At first, I wasn’t sure if that meant that they did not believe in Jesus’ divinity or that they somehow held a non-trinitarian belief that there is only one personality of God, which includes Jesus. Turns ou that Unitarian’s hold the former,maintaining that Jesus, while a good teacher and person, was not God.
I suppose that there are many people out there who hold this idea. I have heard that Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet in a line of prophets which included Abraham, maybe Moses, and Muhammad. But what struck me about the Unitarians, at least those from the early days of the Unitarian movement, was that they considered themselves fundamentalists (this is hardly true today as many Unitarians have shifted to a more “universalistic” approach). Usually, to me, that means that they take the received gospel’s as the word of God and that all of it is true. Now if you are one who believes that the gospels we have today are not 100% accurate, that things have been added or taken away, then perhaps it is possible to believe that while Jesus was a good man, he was not divine. But as a self-proclaimed fundamentalist and you believe the gospel is 100% accurate then I would think there is a breakdown in logic if you somehow assert that Jesus did not claim to be God.
Believe me, I am not the first to come up with this idea. Haha. In fact, I believe the first time I thought of this was while reading some writings by C. S. Lewis. I understand that people have certain issues with Lewis’ point but I still believe that it can illuminate the issue for some people:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic – on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg – or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.
I guess that’s all I’m going to say about that for now. On to another topic is Presbyterians. Presbyterians come from a calvinistic viewpoint, which beleives in the total depravity of man and the full reflection of God’s grace and mercy in man’s salvation. But one interesting thing is the Prebyterian’s namesake, and its possible origins. According to USA Presbyterian Church website, presbyter means elder, and refers to the Church’s governing body of elders who are democratically elected. This would make sense, since the church started as an outcry against the Church of England’s officials which the laity had no control over.
But when I first started thinking about the origin of presbyter, which can also can mean “priest” it made me think about the very calvanistic viewpoint of the “priesthood of all believers.” Becoming a Presbyterian at one time perhaps meant that you were signing up to do work, not just be a pew sitting member. There is no such thing as “laity”, all are believers, and all are called to do all that they can. Very interesting…
So, this ended up being a somewhat lengthy post. I wonder whether it will generate any response or just kind of make its way further and further in to the archives…